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by Hugh Rienhoff last modified Jun 27, 2008 09:41 PM

A rationale for medical therapy.

In 1999 Lynn Sakia and colleagues suggested the fibrillin 1 protein was related to latent Transforming Growth Factor beta (TGFb) binding protein (LTBP) based on sequence similarity. This association suggested to the investigators that fibrillin 1 may play a role in regulating levels of TGFb potentially implicating the hormone in the pathophysiology of Marfan Syndrome (MFS). Their paper lead to a series of studies concluding TGFb played a major role in the pathogenesis of MFS.  Included among the follow-up studies was the observation that transgenic mice carrying one mutant copy of the fibrillin 1 gene and a copy of the wild-type mouse fibrillin 1 gene had elevated TGFb levels and an increase in phosphoSMAD2/3 (pSMAD2/3), the activated form of one of the substrates of the TGFb receptor (TGFbR).  More compelling was the mitigation of the vascular pathology characteristic of the mouse disease model when mutant mice were given an anti-TGFb antibody; treated animals did not show progression of aortic dilation that developed in untreated “Marfan mice”.  The association of aortic disease with mutations in the TGFb receptors I and II further strengthened the thesis that a constitutively activated TGFb pathway causes this type of disease and that targeting the TGFb pathway could help patients with MFS and related diseases. 

 

Predating the TGFb work by a decade were the clinical observations that pathologically elevated angiotensin II levels were partially responsible for cardiac, renal and vascular damage secondary to ischemia and hypertension, specifically intimal hyperplasia, fibrosis and hypertrophy.  Angiotensin II (ATII) is a vasoactive substance in the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system with a variety of physiological activities including the induction of vasoconstriction, cell proliferation (e.g. vascular smooth muscle cells and fibroblasts), production of extracellular matrix (ECM) and aldosterone release.  The pro-inflammatory actions of ATII have been shown to play a central role in pathogenesis of atherosclerotic vascular disease.  Most of these actions are mediated through the angiotensin II Type 1 (AT1) receptor, a G-protein coupled receptor expressed in a variety of cell types including endothelial, central nervous system cells and vascular smooth muscle cells.

 

Angiotensin II is a peptide produced through the cleavage of a larger protein by the enzyme angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE).  Inhibitors of ACE have been conclusively shown to modify pathologic cardiac remodeling after ischemic myocardial damage and to protect kidney from hypertensive damage.  Laboratory evidence that the ATII Type IA and B receptors may be the preferred clinical target and the clinical benefit from the use of ACE inhibitors lead to the development of angiotensin II Type I receptor antagonists (ARA). 

 

The angiotensin II and TGFb pathways interact at several levels.  Angiotensin II both induces the expression of the TGFb gene and induces the release of TGFb from its latent form in a process thought to be mediated in part by the induction of proteases MMP2 and MMP9 and thrombospondin 1 (TSP1), a multifunctional extracellular matrix protein.  By this mechanism angiotensin II can affect TGFb-regulated genes directly through TGFb but angiotensin II also activates SMAD2/3 through a mechanism independent of TGFb: angiotensin II induces SMAD2/3 phosphorylation through one or more pathways.  Those pathways could potentially include p38-MAPK, ERK1/2, JAK/STAT, nuclear factor-kB (NF-kB), JNK, Ras and Rap1 pathways or beta-arrestin all of which in various cell type mediate the effects of ATII receptor activation.  Crosstalk between ATII receptor signaling and the TGFb signaling could provide an additional mechanism of action for some of the beneficial effects on cardiac architecture post-injury and the reno-protectiveness of the ARAs.  Specifically, blockade of this receptor, ATII Type1, has anti-mitotic and anti-inflammatory effects. The simplest hypothesis regarding the beneficial action of ARAs may be their anti-inflammatory activities given that AII initiates inflammatory cascades in endothelial and vascular smooth muscle cells.  Perhaps not surprisingly, the vascular histopathology associated with elevated angiotensin II shares some features with that found for the Marfan Syndrome.  This raises an obvious question: does TGFb pathway activation activate some of the ATIIRI intracellular mediators? Asked differently, are some of the pathologic changes typical of MFS and Loeys Dietz Syndrome owing to ATII-regulated processes via the TGFb pathway?   The enormous complexities of ATIR and TGFbR signaling underscore the many unknowns regarding the molecular details of TGFb-mediated pathology and its treatment.

 

Beyond the details of how angiotensin receptor blockade effects its beneficial actions in models of MFS, there is the practical question of which of the ARAs are best for the treatment of the TGFb-opathies and for each ARA, what is the correct dose?  There are 7 members of this class of drugs on the market, losartan being the oldest and least ATIIR Type I-specific.  Losartan has the shortest half-life at about 6-9 hours; telmisartan has a half-life of 24 hours but shows 3000-fold greater specificity for AT1 over AT2 receptors compared to losartan's 1000-fold specificity.  One could make the case that QD dosing of losartan has proved itself clinically in reducing what could be imputed to be SMAD2/3-mediated pathologic processes. Clinically, the “biomarker” is blood pressure with dose being titrated to a tolerable lowering of diastolic pressure.   Is blood pressure the right marker for TGFb pathway down-regulation given that mechanistically blood pressure reduction is not known to be mediated through the TGFb pathway?  Or is the question moot because orthostasis is always dose-limiting?  The later seems less likely because at maximum recommended doses of losartan, the blood pressure of a normotensive subject is often not significantly changed.  

 

Concomitant with clinical evidence that ARAs are disease-modifying in the TGFb-opathies, the field needs a reliable marker for measuring therapeutic benefit.  The ideal biomarker would be an analyte that is easy to access, for example, from blood, an analyte that is a participant in the pathological process, an analyte that while circulating reflects the pathological processes in the relevant diseased tissues.  There are a variety of conceivable biomarkers including phospho-SMAD2/3, other proteins in the intracellular pathways, and the proteins they ultimately regulate such as thrombospondin 1.  But much of the pathology of these diseases is local – in extracellular matrix, vascular smooth muscle cells, infiltrating lymphocytes; the biomarker must reliably read on local biology, a greater burden of proof than typical for biomarkers.  In the absence of such a marker, under-dosing risks a negative result, i.e. no benefit.  Likewise, long-term over-dosing is always a concern -- what, for example, is the effect of TGFb modulation on Th1 or TH17 differentiation – though there is an abundance of data supporting long-term safety of ARAs.   

 

Would ARAs enhance skeletal muscle growth?  There are reasons to believe they might.  First, blockade of myostatin or ablation of the myostatin genes have been shown increase skeletal muscle mass in mice. Second, antibodies to TGFb given to the Marfan mouse with defective muscle regeneration improve muscle strength , mass and satellite cell proliferation.  Third, the myostatin receptors use the same SMAD2/3 signaling pathway demonstrated to be down-regulated by ARAs. Fourth, long-term treatment with losartan of the Marfan mouse (Fbn1 C1039G/+) "fully normalized steady state muscle architecture".  Fifth, there is clinical evidence of increases in skeletal muscle mass in cardiomyopathic patients treated with ARAs.  The molecular, cellular and clinical data all support the expectation that ARAs can enhance skeletal muscle mass.

 

Recommendations in medicine are rarely dictated by the proof even good evidence affords.  Indeed, most of the common medical practices have not been subject to rigorous clinical trial.  And rarely is all the information at hand – there are always more tests that could be done, more time to pass before certainty sets in.  Patients and physicians do not have the luxury of completeness.  The decision to treat is often about the calculus of risk and reward.  Patients with their physicians collaborate; they teach each other; they calibrate one another to understand the meaning and likelihood of true benefit and real danger.  There is cost, convenience, comfort, and a hundred other considerations.  By necessity, each decision is unique and crafted for the circumstances.   

 

My greatest concern regarding my daughter’s health is the possibility of the vascular disease associated with Marfan Syndrome and Loeys Dietz Syndrome.  Without a diagnosis, it is still a very real possibility.  The vascular pathology of this family of conditions is, for now, irreversible.  The ill-formed and injured great vessels do not heal themselves.   Therefore, the decision not to treat potentially allows the damage to proceed ineluctably.  On the other hand, the decision to stop treatment can be made at any time.  There is the added but clinically unproven prospect ARAs enhance muscle growth.  The adverse events caused by this class of drugs are largely benign and reversible; it does not feel like much of a choice.  

 

 

Hypotheses that need testing: 

1) ARAs will have a beneficial effect on the evolution of typical vascular disease in MFS and LDS at a dose that does not lower blood pressure excessively.

        This has recently been published in the New England Journal of Medicine in the June 26 2008 issue (NEJM 358, 2787, 2008).   In a small study of patients who progressed on one of the standard regimens -- beta blockers, ACE inhibitors and Ca channel blockers -- in these patients the drug stabilized the growth of their aortic root and in some cases reduced (relatively) the root as they grew.  This is extremely good news for patients with TGFb-opathies such as Marfan and Loyes Dietz Syndromes.  The drugs will likely have an effect on other aspects of the biology of Marfan Syndrome affected by TGF beta signaling including their muscle pathology.

2) ARAs will have a beneficial effect on muscle physiology increasing muscle mass and promoting normal muscle physiology including healing.

        I have heard through the proverbial medical grapevine that patients treated with ARA's have shown increased muscle mass and strength.  Nothing formally is published.   

3) ARAs will have less of an effect on skeletal development such as long bone growth and kyphoscoliosis.

4) The local effect ARAs have on cell types that are the primary effectors of vascular disease secondary to elevated TGFb signaling primary can be measured in the circulation. 

        TGF beta levels have been measured in patients receiving renal transplants and serum TGF beta levels drop 50% in two on losartan.  It may be possible to titrate doses to lower TGF beta levels. 


 

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Subject of Dose

Posted by Tim Smith at Dec 09, 2007 09:52 PM
I find this whole subject facinating. I am however worried about the dosage issues. The clinical trial for Marfans is using only 100mg of Losartan. I do not feel that this will be enough to penetrate the tissue and "find" the receptors in the SMC of the Aorta. Of interest is an incidental finding by a nephrologist several years ago who was experimenting with high dose ARB for CKD. It was observed that one patient had an enourmous rediction in an aortic root aneurysm when the dose of Cansartan was upped to triple the BP dose. He then cnducted a small clinical trail with 15 people w/idiopathic AO diliation. 14 of 15 experienced a reduction in AO diameter at HIGH doses of ARB. Also the recent paper released by AU researchers ahowed a reduction in AO diameter in Marfan patients with Perindopril, a High tissue penatrating drug. Losartan is not very lipid soluble and is a surmaountable antagonist. The dose would probably need to be 200-300mg to be effective. Perhaps combotherapy with perindopril would be better.

I feel that so called idiopathic aortic aneurysm is a forme fruste of Marfans or is a fibrillinopathy of some sort. Perhaps not caused by a mutation but by repression of the proteins expression leading to a reduced amount. TGFb driven at any rate. Pehaps the nephrologist hit on something. At any rate the AT1 receptor pathway should be a target in these disorders. Considering that BP reduction is a good thing in these cases, I see no reason not to try!!!!

Dosage

Posted by admin at Dec 13, 2007 04:29 PM
Dear Tim:
I share your concern wholeheartedly. I do not know if access to the receptor is at issue but I agree there is a real danger the current trial will not see a difference at the dose they are using, 1.5 mg/kg/d. That said, I understand some of the investigators are speaking "anecdotally" that they are seeing an effect in the more severely affected patients with the "infantile" form of Marfan and Loeys Dietz.

What is needed is a biomarker to measure the degree to which these implicated pathways are attenuated by drug. This might be phosphoSMAD2/3 but someone would have to demonstrate that peripheral lymphocytic measure of phosphoSMAD2/3 is a reliable marker for the same in VSMC.

I concur that there are a host of diseases waiting to be treated with this very safe class of drugs including vascular disease as well as muscle disease. There is also evidence that autoimmune diseases might respond to down-regulation of TGFb using ARBs.

I would be grateful if you could provide the reference for the ARB treatmet of AO dilation.

Thanks for your interest -- this is a fascinating field that can only get more exciting as we learn more.

best,
hugh

Dosage

Posted by Tim Smith at Dec 15, 2007 04:52 AM
Hugh

I am out of town right now but I will provide you with a reference to the paper as soon as I get back on Monday. The nephrologists name was Marc Weinberg, he filed a patent request around 02 for treating aneurysms with "ultra maximum doses of ARBs".

I do fear that the trial will not be sucessful due to the dose. It is a shame that more work was not done regarding the dosage required for true down regulation of TGFb before choosing losartan and the dose. I know Hal Dietz has seen some effect with the infant/young child cases, but there body mass is far less than that of an adult, although I am not sure what dose these children are getting.

Funny you mention autoimmune disease!! I am trying to put together a study to look at if antibodies against fibrillin-1 are resbponsible for large vessle vasculitis, and the aortic root diliation seen in ankylosing spondylitis. TGFb has been found upregulated in the bony fusions of AS, and the disease presents with the same cardiovascular manifastetions as Marfans.

One thing that troubles me slightly about ARBs is the role that the type 2 receptor plays. With high dose ARB treatment the type 2 receptor gets hammered. What role will this play?? At least one study found the type 2 receptor upregulated in Marfan aortas. I could be a defense mechanism. It could be detrimental???

I will provide you with links shortly.

Losartan

Posted by Hugh Rienhoff at Dec 16, 2007 09:50 AM
There are anay reasons to consider other ARBs including as your point about selectivity for the ATI receptor; half-live differences are significant too. The dose Hal suggested I use was 1.5mg/kg/d. (BTW --Hal has has exmamined my daughter as has Bart Loeys and they aren't telling me she has it, viz LDS. Hal hinted that they maybe seeing a slight variation on the LDS presentation in patients with the clinical syndrome with slightly different Aortic lesions and muscle weakness but with clean TGFBR genes - I suggested the ACVR genes and offered their prmimers but I have not heard he is interested in that avenue.

There is a literature on ARBs and Th1 and Th2 and TH17 shifting. I also know of a study whereby EAE was completely mitigated with losartan. There may be trials going on in MS.
I could direct to you to some of that if you care.
Sounds like we should talk as some point.
bets,
hugh


losartan

Posted by Tim Smith at Dec 17, 2007 07:53 PM
Hugh

"Regression Of Diliated Aortic Roots Using Supramximal and Usual Doses of Angiotensin Receptor blockers". Marc S Weinberg, Raymond B Cord, Horace Martin. American Journal of Hypertension.

On patient was given 160mg of Canndesartan (5 times the FDA max!!!) Had a change of 1.2cm in his aortic root!!! Pretty significant. Average reduction was 5mm

These were elderly subjects. But the findings are significant. Perhaps idiopathic diliation is nothing more than disruption of the fibrillin-latent TGFb complex caused by age related degeneration. TGFb must play some mechanical role in preventing the normal repair processes in the neural crest cells of the aortic root. Hence the reduction in Ao diameter indicated that the healing process is allowed to continue.

As far as the genetics go It is very confusing. A great number of people with gent criteria Marfans do not have any fibrillin one mutation either. Perhaps the answer lies in the protein chemistry as well as the genetics. Thats why I have interest in autoimmune activity ect.. that could disrupt the same way that a gene mutation could. ie multiple paths to the same end (some thing that leads to over signalling of tgfb) The phenotype presentations are impossible to ignore.

You are doing the right thing treating your daughter. It is a shame that research findings take so long to reach the treatment level.

I belive very srtrongly in high dose ARB and ACEi treatment for the protection of tissue. I have seen enough evidence to clearly show that the AT1 receptor is a almost a master swich for tissue damage. The BP reduction doses are just not enough though...

High dose ARBs

Posted by Hugh Rienhoff at Dec 19, 2007 08:11 PM
Tim:
Many thanks for the reference. There is a new monograph coming out soon on TGFb which will likely be the defintive source of received wisodom for the next decade. In a discussion with the editor Rik Derynck he mentioned that a conditional KO mouse for TGFb, the adult mice were normal, that is no phenotype. I might have expected altered wound healing or Th1/Th2 T cell imbalances or something but apparently nothing. Some might interpret this to suggest that elevated TGFb in adults is, in many cases, pathologic. For certain you don't need the stuff to be a fairly normal mouse.
 
In the dose ranges you are proposing, what does that translate to in mg of drug/kg of body weight? What adverse effects have you seen or heard of in patients taking these high doses?

regards,
hugh

dose cont..

Posted by Tim Smith at Dec 19, 2007 11:21 PM
Just some down and dirty math for the above study yeilds around 0.8mg/kg of candesartan (FDA reccomended max around 0.4mg/kg so approximately twice the max) . But to compare this to losartan is like comparing apples to oranges. Losartan is a surmountable antagonist whereas candsartan is insurmountable. As AT11 levels build up due to AT1 blockades negation of the feed back loop, losartan most likely exists in a binding equillibrium with angiotensin and some signalling undoubtably continues to take place. Candesartan is insurmountable and due to its tighter binding energies and greater lipid solubility it "may" stay bound to receptors deep in the vascular tissue of the aorta, and subsequent doses may have an adative effect on this.

The other question is how much each individual patient expresses AT1 receptors. In the study I qouted you, two subjects had massive reductions in aortic pathology, one was hypertensive and recived 160mg, while one who was normotensive on required only 64mg. What bothers me is how thick the aorta is, and how much of the drug actually penetrates deep into the tissue at standard doses, much less probably makes its way to skeletal muscle as is a concern in your daughters case.

I think hat the sinus of valsalva pathology has been deeply misunderstood due to a convenient and confusing coinsidence, namely that it is the point of greatest heamodynamic shear stress. A coloser look reveals that the aorta is very discontinuous with respect to cell type. Specifically a ring of demarcation exisits at the aortic sinus separating heart field cells and neural crest cells. The neural crest cells are HIGHLY influenced by TGFb (much more so than most other cell types). Another line of demarcation exists slightly above the sinus. These borders under the influence of TGFb could be anogoulus to joining teflon to wood at a junction and treating it with a corrosive acid. One section remains unchanged while the other is highly influenced. These line "may" be where ALL aortic dissections originate from. Normalizing TGFb signalling "may" normalize extra cellular cohession at these cellular lines of demarcation and prevent the pathology.

Have you read Kingwells recent study with perindopril?? Perindopril is a much more tissue soluble drug than losartan and once again a reversal (as opposed to stabilization) of pathology was observed. I have talked with 10 or so Marf patients on losartan and they have all reported stabilization of there aortic disease at 100mg. The two who have not seen stabilization were on only 50mg. One who has seen reversal was on 360mg of Avapro (irbesartan)a tighter binder than losartan. Of course this is not scientific but does help bolster my dose dependency theory.

As far as side effects, that Marc Wienberg has published on this too. Only a mild rise in serum potassium and creatinine were observed, but not enough to discontinue therapy. Of course you would want to mnitor these situations if you were doing this. Some have reported dangerous rise in serum potassium. However this could probably be controlled through dietery restrictions.

BTW my real name is Timothy Ayers, I use a false name while chating on internet boards untill I know they are legit!!!

Increased dose

Posted by admin at Apr 17, 2008 08:42 AM
Following a presentation describing two children with relatively severe Marfan syndrome, the presenter allowed that while 1.5mg/kg had had little effect but at a dose of 2mg/kg the patients put on additional weight, in consultation with her physician the dose of losartan for my daughter was increased to 2mg/kg. Her blood pressure remains stable and she has had no episodes of postural dizziness. An electrolyte screen, BUN and creatinine is pending.